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Castaneda: conversazione del 1968 (3/4) [Sub. IT/EN]

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Can they do this let me fly i really don’t know i always feel i project in him and i say poor little old man what’s he do with his time hi poor little old man what do i do that’s a different step he has a different system complaining um and they grow in central mexico then you make a journey to central mexico you collect them and then you take them

To wherever you live and wait for a year before they are usable and they spend a year inside of a gourd and after that they are they are then utilized were these the ones were they from milwaukee they are central mexico that area yeah wow there are 14 species outside the you tell us about family about the need and nature for secrecy and mysticism well i

Don’t know he feels like they did they in order to return from one of the trips you have to have a great degree of help and knowledge without which you don’t return maybe he’s right maybe he’s right maybe you’re unique not not so much the the encouragement or a friendly man telling you everything is the right job don’t fear but more than that maybe you need

Another type of knowledge that will render the experience it meaningfully and not crack your mind you see that not really bust you but you just carry someone from using your struggle i do i do i don’t think they should because perhaps we get to know more about it otherwise we become a spearhead and the spirit burned serious do you know what the psychoactive

Substances are in material there is the atropine in uh uh i don’t know there’s the type highest thiamine and uh there are other two more there’s some some something that somebody called metalloid but nobody knew what the salvation was very toxic terribly toxic they they are very harmful no that this the peoria contains tonight eight times is stalking

He likes to talk there are other men who who have another type of resurrection this uh there’s a man who uh gives letters and in waterfalls his translation is balance and movement uh and uh the only one that i know dances and he accomplishes the same thing what about mushrooms that’s right it’s going all over the person it’s a well it’s a strand that goes

Anywhere and then and then the anywhere in the united states but they they the intake of the torah produces a very terrible uh inflammation of the prostate gland so it’s it’s not a desirable thing to use it so uh it’s just very toxic to you no no after it’s prepared you know i didn’t lose doctor the american indians i think learn a great deal in manipulating

Plans and how they learn perhaps like the one thing you could arrive to a direct knowledge of complex procedures directly we are copying this whatever whatever you thought could you talk a little more about that first experience about finding the business box and what your interpretation of this means no no i don’t know i i never interpreted it in any way

Except again after you stay special ordinary reality he again i think manipulated me and uh or perhaps it’s possible to see color i have a friend who reported though lately that he stole magenta he says that was the only thing that he saw he he tried to do this and uh at night and uh he was capable of arriving to this uh distortion of color whatever one thing

I noticed in the book is that all these experiences and the darkness is discovering is they uh it’s like a blanket very very nice in the other hand the daytime is very active it’s too busy you know it’s not conducive to uh to to the feeling needed for anything like that i like the night i don’t know why maybe i’m an hour or something i have i like dream i

Just stay amenable to me i turn the lights in my house off all the time well like to say little job little billy circumlocutions to mean williams really is he one as one god or is he like a thousand million that’s power the teacher is not god it’s a teacher he’s a teacher that is outside yourself that you never made name you never mention it by name

Because the name that he gives it to you is personal and therefore you use the circumstances now the because toyota means something else it’s not applicable to that it’s a it’s a word that is being borrowed by the spaniards a state very much like like like victora in mexicans in the spanish youth in mexico they do it called the people say to watch but

That’s not accurate to watch is the state of knowledge later through this in europe but it’s not the slant to stay on ours and so in other words that they start whom the spanish uh was they concerned with and people have identified as the the seats of the morning glory but that’s not it belongs to the torah also but it’s again it’s another it’s the state

State of knowledge does gone warm or any of the other glucose have any difficulties with the church because of this uh well i suppose they do they couldn’t care less one way or the other they are capable of short-circuiting the works of the dominar the dominant society which they very very appealing to me at least to be able to show certain short-circuit them

And render them meaningless and useless and harmless see the one is not trying to fight anybody therefore nobody fights for them he’s very capable he’s a hunter he’s a he’s a hunter he’s a capable man he’s asked everything himself he’s uh well in many ways metaphorically in you know in a literal way he hunts in his own way and uh he’s a warrior means he’s

A uh alert on his thoughts consistently he never lets anything go beyond by him there’s a great argument that i have his grandson his grandson says my grandfather is evil minded i i said you know what perhaps you’re wrong do you think that you could have mick up on him and the young guy her name says no my god you cannot pick up my grandfather he’s a broker

How could you say that he’s still minded and then he said that you cannot speak up for him but that’s the idea i see he maintains everybody under this this sort of control he’s never let me out of his sight i’m always within within his view and it’s an automatic truck unconscious he’s not aware of it but i’m always there at all times you know he’s very alert

One he’s not an isolator man he is a hunter a warrior his life is a game of strategy he is capable of rounding up his armies and use them in the most efficient way the most efficacious way he’s not a guy who cuts corners but he’s his great motto is efficacy and that’s totally opposed to my motto my mother’s waste like all of us unfortunately you see and then i

Get caught in tremendous upheavals of meaning and and things that split me and i begin to whine you know why why how how did it happen to me but you know you have like if i would be able to live like the one i could set my life in a way strategy set my arm harvester strategically like he said then if you lose all you lose is a battle that’s all are you very

Happy at that but not with me because if i lose because they took me you know they raped me you know i’ve been thinking in my fuhrer you know and no end to my fury because i i was not prepared for it but what would happen if i was prepared then i was just defeated and defeated is nothing so bad but to be raised that’s terrible that’s horrendous and that’s what

We all do by one we are raped by cigarettes we can’t stop smoking you know or people are raped by food they cannot stop eating i have my own my own quirks you know how you’re right by by certain things i cannot mention that but i know that i’ve been weak and female and unhealthy so one seems a fever that’s an indulgence that he cannot afford to and uh he

Is not indulgent at all he does not indulge and yet his life is very harmonious terribly funny and great you know and i i pondered how in the devil can he do it the other thing is by cutting his indulgence to nothing and yet he lives very well he doesn’t deny himself anything there’s a trick that’s a funny trick it’s just almost a semantic manipulation like

He’s 76 years old he likes girls he says that the reason why he liked earth because when he was young he took one detour with the lizards and the lizards bit him nearly to death and he was sick for three months he was in coma for a week and then his teacher told him not to worry about it because from then on he was going to be zero until the day he died he said

The lizards do that you know they bite you too hard you become very girl so i asked him how could i get a couple bucks you need more than a couple of lifes so that’s this thing is not frugal in the sense of denial denial but yet he doesn’t indulge maybe that doesn’t make sense

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Castaneda: conversazione del 1968 (3/4) [Sub. IT/EN] By Fiorenzo Mareni